Advise for mounting MLA30+ on a tripod

m0ymx

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Hi,

I am looking to purchase a tripod to mount my MLA-30+ on. I have no experience with this kind of thing, and the budget is about 30 pounds/35 Euro/40 Dollars for the tripod plus a few pounds/Euros/dollars for additional materials such as an upright which can be as simple as a bit of plastic piping. Can anyone advise me. I see many YouTube videos, for example, with similar set ups being used discussing receivers. but no one is talking about sourcing the parts for the antenna.

Best wishes

M0YMX
 
Greetings, and welcome to the forum!:)

If I have it correct the MLA-30+ is an active receive only loop consisting of a small box containing an amplifier, and the loop itself appears to be either stainless steel or maybe aluminium wire?

The tripod itself need not be expensive, I've bought a number of cheap 'shopping mall' tripods over the years and all have been adequate to support lightweight loops.

Something like this one >>> Amazon Tripod would be fine (I just posted this link as an example).

What you will need to do is modify the tripod. Where the mounting plate is for the camera you will need to remove the entire 'head' assembly (this is the top section with the adjusting/locking arm). Normally it is just one screw securing it in place though sometimes you also have to fully unscrew the adjusting/locking arm as well.

Once the 'head' has been removed you will generally see the top of the telescopic pole containing a plastic insert. Normally the plastic insert is the same diameter as the tube, so this can be left in place.

To support the loop you need to get a length of plastic water pipe, or you could possibly use a length of wooden broom handle (if the loop is only to be used indoors, outdoors the wood will absorb moisture and could affect the performance of the loop).

Depending upon the diameter of the tubing to hand, or maybe just purchased, you will either be able to slide the plastic tubing over the aluminium 'pole' sticking up out of the tripod, or maybe you will need to secure it to the side of the protruding pole. Either way you need to fix the plastic tubing to the aluminium pole sticking up out of the tripod, but only overlap them enough to give reasonable support. Don't run the aluminium tubing all of the way up to the top of the loop as this again might affect the performance of the loop.

From the photos I've seen, all that is left to do is to mount the loop amplifier box to the lower end of the plastic tubing, and then find some way to attach the wire of the loop to the top of the plastic tube. Just alter the spacing so as to give you a roughly circular loop. Some folks drill two hoes in the top of the tubing and pass the wire through it, others drill one hole and then use a cable tie to secure the wire. You could also cut a small notch in the end of the tubing and put the wire in to the trough of the notch.

If you want to go really crazy with the plastic support you could also have a cross piece in the middle with two side arms to support the left and right sides of the loop.

There's quite a few images around the web for plastic tubing supported loops (I'll add a few links below so that you can get a better idea).

Single plastic pole

Another single plastic pole

MFJ produce a portable magnetic loop antenna which uses a plastic 'cross' made from water pipe fittings which gives extra support. Although this is not the same kind of loop as your active receive loop, the support system could work just the same.

MFJ Loop support cross

If the loop is indoors a cheap tripod will support it no problem, but if you want to set up the loop outdoors then you will need to fasten the tripod down somehow, maybe with some tent pegs or wooden stakes driven in to the ground and fasten one to each leg, or, another method is to hang a weight from the middle of the tripod frame (maybe some house bricks or bucket of sand etc.)

Why the extra support outdoors? Due to the wind loading of the loop it will act like a sail, and any gusts of wind will tend to cause the loop to topple over.

The plastic water pipe can be obtained from any DIY store.

Hope that lot helps!

73, Mark...
 
Many thanks for the detailed reply.

If I have it correct the MLA-30+ is an active receive only loop consisting of a small box containing an amplifier, and the loop itself appears to be either stainless steel or maybe aluminium wire?
Yes it comes with a stainless steel loop designed to be attached to the box. Once I have the basics right as you discuss I might produce version 2,3 with a cross or even replacing that supplied thin loop with a copper circle, you never know where this could lead.

One critical follow up question is how to attach the pipe to the diameter of the chosen piping and the tripod pole is critical, but, knowing my luck they will not. Do you recommend glue or some other high friction contact material? This is the hardest part and something I am not that naturally competent nor experienced with. Hence the question. Having had a quick scan read of the articles you mention this aspect is no mentioned.

Thanks for you help.

M0YMX
 
The method of fitting the plastic tube on to the aluminium telescopic section varies depending upon the various diameters involved. If you were really lucky then the plastic tube/pipe would simply fit over the aluminium tube and be a nice friction fit, not requiring any more work.:cool:

Being a realist this sort of 'luck' very rarely happens! If the plastic tubing is a slightly larger internal diameter than the aluminium, you could possibly saw upwards along the length of the tube for a short way, and then use one or two jubilee clips/hose clamps tightened over the tubing so as to clamp it in place.

Another way might be to fit the plastic tubing over the aluminium tube from the tripod and then drill through both of them. You could either drill right the way through and fit one or two bolts through, or, maybe just drill through one side and then use self tapping screws to hold the assembly together.

If there were to be quite a large difference in diameter you might find it easier to simply use either two large jubilee clips (these could be squashed into an oval or egg shape to fit the tubes more closely), or use some duct tape, to bind the the two sections of pipe together. This would also be OK if the plastic tubing was too small to fit over the aluminium, or, if you had decided to use part of a wooden broom handle or maybe some other length of wood.

You could also just completely replace the upright aluminium telescopic centre tube of the tripod with a length of plastic tubing, though that would involve measuring the original tube and finding some replacement with the same diameter.

It's only when you have your tripod that you can start to plan what tubing you need. Until then there is too much guess work involved and too many possible scenarios. It's the classic, "how long is a piece of string" question. It also depends upon where the antenna will be mounted (indoors or outdoors), since this could also affect the choice of materials both from a strength and durability point of view.

Yeah, the version 2 or 3, well as mentioned all of the various water pipe fitting can be obtained from DIY stores. I personally use a local B&Q DIY store for most of my antenna supplies. I mainly use their 21.5mm diameter tubing for most of my projects, but they also sell 32mm and 40mm plastic water pipe.

They also sell plastic conduit tubing which if I remember correctly has a slightly thicker wall and so might be stronger and less flexible? Ideally you need to visit a store and handle the items to get an idea of the materials.

Incidentally, they also sell small bore copper tubing (about 6mm diameter), which is great for antenna projects!

If you can't get to a shop there are plenty of online stores for such materials, but of course postage may account for a good chunk of your available budget.

73, Mark...
 
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